Some interesting things may have been said at the recent debate. To wit:
- Obama would assassinate Osama bin Laden; Kucinich would see him held to account in an international court of law.
- Bill Richardson would be willing to boycott the Beijing 2008 Olympics if China continues to support Khartoum instead of using its considerable influence to end the violence in Darfur/Sudan. Chris Dodd would not; he argues that a boycott would actually delay China’s decision to start acting responsibly and stop supporting genocide.
- Obama thinks veterans should be required to go to V.A. hospitals "unless they have difficulty accessing and it places a hardship on the family, then they should be exempted and can go to others" — whatever that’s supposed to mean. It sounds like lawyer-talk to me: intentionally unclear, attempting to pander to both sides. This in comparison to Richardson’s position that veterans should have health care cards which would allow them to go to doctors or hospitals of their own choosing.
- Biden thinks the U.S. should use military force to stop the genocide in Darfur. The rest of the Democrats were asked to raise their hands if they agreed with Senator Biden. Clinton refuses to engage in these kinds of "abstract hypotheticals," which is understandable, because it’s not like she attended Yale Law School or anything where presumably she would have learned how to reason through hypos rather than feeling the need to duck for cover. Obama agreed with Clinton: "I don’t want to raise my hand anymore."
- Kucinich wants everyone to have health care, and thinks some of the other Democrats would rather just allow the insurance companies to remain in charge. Edwards criticizes Obama’s so-called universal health care plan as in fact not universal.
- Obama, a member of the Veteran Affairs Committee in the Senate, who as noted above either thinks or does not think that veterans should basically be forced to receive care only at V.A. hospitals, was completely unaware of the poor outpatient conditions at Walter Reed Army Medical Center until the Washington Post ran its story.
- Biden thinks the "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy is ridiculous and the military should not be able to continue to its current practice of sex discrimination.
- Hillary likes to mention Bill. A lot.
- Biden, who voted for a 700 mile fence between the U.S. and Mexico, thinks such a fence would be impractical, and he only voted against it to stop drug trafficking. Apparently, Biden is an idiot and his voting record is meaningless.
- Obama objects to the question of whether English ought to be the official language of the United States because all future generations will learn to speak English and the question is a distraction. Huh? As far as I can tell, he doesn’t want to answer it because it’s a political question intended to have political consequences, and instead favors not asking the question because it’s not possible to move forward if we discuss what we’re trying to do and how we’re trying to do it.
- Edwards was wrong for his Iraq vote and apologizes; Clinton admits no error, because she lacked important information. Edwards also criticized Senators Clinton and Obama for voting correctly on the funding bill, but doing so quietly and without showing any leadership (they did not say how they were going to vote in advance).
- Edwards thinks "WAR ON TERROR" is a bumper-sticker slogan. Clinton says that it’s not because, in case we’ve forgotten, she was a United States Senator for New York when New York City was attacked on Sept. 11, 2001. She also thinks that we are much safer now than we were before 9/11.
Conclusions: Obama failed to endear himself to me. So did Clinton, but she is a much more well known entity, so I’m less surprised about that. Kucinich is not going to be the nominee, which means… Edwards is the realistically best of the bunch?
5 responses to “Are the Democrats Not All Exactly the Same? (Joe)”
I noticed you left out Senator Gravel of Alaska. :-) In his own words, he has come out “from under a rock” after all these years in order to be the conscience of the party on Iraq. But of course no one had time for him. So he is not going to be the Democrats’ Ron Paul.
Hillary likes to mention Bill. A lot.
I noticed that and it made me quite uncomfortable. She was clearly playing the role of the “leader” of the pack, the elder with the soothing voice (We are all united on Iraq. It is George Bush’s war). Deflecting all the blame for Iraq on to Bush is not going to play well for too long just like taking credit for her husband’s success won’t.
Senator Biden is a windbag for sure. But I kind of enjoyed his angry outburst on Darfur (don’t know if he means it). The only thing that gives me solace at the moment is that the Republicans are even more inane and are dug deep into a hole on Iraq. Fred Thompson might mix it up. But what plays well on TV, may not in real life.
So, what am I waiting for? Well, again I go back to sounding like a broken record – I have said this before here and elsewhere. I would like to see a candidate who:
1. has had some distance from the back rooms of Washington politics for a while but otherwise has solid experience on matters of the state.
2. whose ego has taken a bruising and therefore he/she has had time to be introspective.
3. has a weighty and credible record on public policy and speaks truth to power.
4. is unimpeachable on Iraq
5. is a figure who is both popular and sympathetic (an impeccable marital life will be icing on the cake for those concerned with bed room fidelity).
6. is NOT a lawyer !
Will Al Gore surprise me after Labor Day?
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I think Edwards mostly came off sounding the most ‘presidential’ in his answers, though his ‘travel internationally to restore America’s standing’ as a strategy for the first 100 days in office sounded like more like a photo-op world tour. His answer on Iran was pretty good, though. Clinton came off as being more to-the-point and likeable in most of her answers, but she still got battered by the other candidates and looked seriously upset with Edwards scoring over her while debating the Iraq war authorization vote. Obama rambled off topic more often than not, stumbling especially on the VA and Walter Reed question- how could he, as a committee member who has oversight, not gotten wind of the Walter Reed problems until after the WaPo report? Kucinich was getting a little overboard on the ‘peace for all’ as a solution for everything, without getting into specific solutions and answers. Gravel sounded curmudgeonly and irritated. Richardson overdid the “I would” and “I did”s, to the point of exhaustion. Dodd was senatorial, not presidential. Biden roared like a lion over Darfur, and his frustration on that point was clear. But not so much over the Iraq war (I might have missed a bit of what he said there, still in and out of the room at that time.)
If it’s going to be more of the same jockeying every time, I wish November were already here!
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I really don’t think Gore’s going to run. I wish he would!
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Trying to contact Joe Reed from Delaware by way of Arkansas and was in
China due to job…are you out there????
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Pam:
Joe who writes here is not Joe Reed. Sorry.
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