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Interesting NY Times blog post here by Gary Gutting, who is a philosophy professor at Notre Dame.

In these popular debates about God’s existence, the winners are
neither theists nor atheists, but agnostics — the neglected
step-children of religious controversy, who rightly point out that
neither side in the debate has made its case.   This is the position
supported by the consensus of expert philosophical opinion.

This conclusion should particularly discomfit popular proponents of
atheism, such as Richard Dawkins, whose position is entirely based on
demonstrably faulty arguments. * * *

An answer may lie in work by philosophers as different as David Hume,
Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Alvin Plantinga.  In various ways, they have
shown that everyday life is based on “basic” beliefs for which we have
no good arguments. There are, for example, no more basic truths from
which we can prove that the past is often a good guide to the future,
that our memories are reliable, or that other people have a conscious
inner life.  Such beliefs simply — and quite properly — arise from our
experience in the world. Plantinga in particular has argued that core
religious beliefs can have a status similar to these basic but unproven
beliefs. His argument has clear plausibility for some sorts of religious
beliefs. Through experiences of, for example, natural beauty, moral
obligation, or loving and being loved, we may develop an abiding sense
of the reality of an extraordinarily good and powerful being who cares
about us.  Who is to say that such experiences do not give reason for
belief in God as much as parallel (though different) experiences give
reason for belief in reliable knowledge of the past and future and of
other human minds?  There is still room for philosophical disputes about
this line of thought, but it remains the most plausible starting point
of a philosophical case for religious belief.

But this defense of faith faces a steep hurdle. Although it may
support generic religious claims about a good and powerful being who
cares for us, it is very hard to see it sustaining the specific and
robust claims of Judaism, Christianity and Islam about how God is
concretely and continually involved in our existence. * * *

We all know how I feel about religion.  Or maybe we don't — I recall some exchanges between Ruchira and Dean, but I'm not sure whether I've participated in that discussion.  Anyway, I think it's an interesting read. 

And yes, he's obviously right that the agnostics have it right.  He's also wrong to ridicule the atheists, in that there's no evidence of God, or, at least there's insufficient evidence of God, and it's perfectly rational to say that we should base our beliefs on evidence. 

But mostly I'm toying with the idea that this is all beside the point.  I don't know if consequentialist epistemology is a real thing, and in any event I'm not smart enough to do philosophy, but why not say that what we believe and think we know should be based on the consequences of believing it?  Religion is an easy target because it (1) gives people inner peace and (2) causes wars and has resulted in more human suffering than anything else I can think of, but why not expand that?  To take a popular philosophy example, the question isn't whether we know the sun will rise in the morning, but what are the consequences of knowing/believing or disbelieving/not knowing that the sun will rise in the morning.

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2 responses to “Philosophy and Faith (Joe)”

  1. I have to believe that there is a “divide and conquer” conspiracy afoot here against atheists:-) The praise for agnostics is flooding the cyberspace, both from the believer camp as well as agnostics themselves. The believers probably harbor the fond view that they will get to the agnostics some day and the agnostics are patting themselves on the back as the poster boys of “polite atheism.” It will come as news to both parties that most atheists ARE agnostics. They don’t know whether there is a god or why the universe is the way it is. Until such evidence is presented that they can understand, they are happy to live with that uncertainty. Unlike Richard Dawkins who apparently went about trying to prove that there is no god, most atheists are not losing sleep over the existence or absence of a supreme deity. Until the matter is resolved in its own time or if at all, atheists do not want to waste their time concocting a comforting myth to explain away what they don’t understand. Also, they are content without agonizing over life after death, heaven or hell. That’s all there is to it. There is no need to slice and dice atheism and agnosticism / atheism lite. Here is a lengthy discussion at 3 Quarks Daily that occurred recently over the smug claims that Ron Rosenbaum, proud agnostic, made in the Slate slamming the arrogant atheists.
    http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/07/an-agnostic-manifesto.html
    Ho hum. One thing to note is that believers have a hard time accepting that atheists are not secretly worshiping some ersatz god while rejecting theirs. For example, they insist that “science” is a religion of the atheists. Or “reason.” Or “materialism.” Of course, atheists take science, reason and materialism as facts of life and things they understand. But they are not their “religion.” Remember, they don’t need a god. That’s why they are atheists. How hard is that to understand? Also, atheists are a diverse lot – very hard to pin down with a central dogma or articles of faith. But believers and mysterian agnostics continue tirelessly to try and find a common glue of metaphysics for the atheists. Give up folks, there ain’t one.
    Here is an apt observation about the kind of self satisfied “agnostic” that I am talking about.

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  2. Sarkany

    ‘atheists take science, reason and materialism as facts of life and things they understand. But they are not their “religion.” Remember, they don’t need a god. That’s why they are atheists.’
    But you need dogma- a sense of THIS is the only way- and science has been twisted into a dogmatic entity by athiests who pathologically need to disprove emotional BS arguments by theists. I should amend that to say myopic and cliquish scientists are also to blame in that they view scientific laws as dogma and go out of their way to discredit anything that disagrees with their views.
    Theological noncognitivism is where I’m at. I only address religion in terms of social-secular impact…and there’s an endless amount of nonsense to address.
    Having said all that, I DO like athiests. They’re usually pretty hot. I just can be one.

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